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Patriot X
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 17-Jan-2011 17:33:59
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Let me rephrase that. I do not understand how you can tell that something is really that far away, since it is not like the stars out there are standing still. Isn't the universe expanding?
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YoSoyJu
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 17-Jan-2011 20:37:29
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The universe is expanding. But a star won't move that much in 6 months. Literally zero noticeable movement in that time. So it's simple trigonometry to figure out how far away the closest stars are.
But even if our numbers are off by a few hundred or thousand light years, Any light coming toward Earth from farther away than 6000 light years seems to be a problem for a Biblical literalist to deal with. How could you explain any such light? | |
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Patriot X
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 18-Jan-2011 15:59:05
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Actually I don't have an answer for that.... that is a very good question. Why haven't you brought up this before?
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YoSoyJu
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 18-Jan-2011 18:41:24
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I don't know.
Hopefully it will get you thinking, though. It seems a big hole in your ideology. | |
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Patriot X
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 21-Jan-2011 17:23:33
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Well.. the thing is that since I don't believe that the big bang happened in the first place... that this fact doesn't really influence my thinking.
Since I believe that God spoke... to create everything, he very well could have created stars... quite a ways away couldn't he have? | |
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Das Milkinator
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted at: 21-Jan-2011 18:35:53
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Bob, just interested, what do you think about evolution, and dinosaurs?
Tests of faith placed by god? God created evolution? | |
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Patriot X
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 22-Jan-2011 12:09:53
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What do you mean exactly?
Evolution is a false theory... according to the bible... so yes, you could say it is a test of faith. I am not sure of your question exactly... | |
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Das Milkinator
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted at: 22-Jan-2011 13:57:20
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I'm just curious how you, as a firm follower of the bible, respond to "proof" (emphasis on the ") of an earth earlier than the bible claims.
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YoSoyJu
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 22-Jan-2011 17:18:27
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First off, it has nothing to do with the Big Bang theory. You are creating a strawman of my argument. Second, you have to realize that what you are doing here is adding to your own mythology. No where in the Bible does it say that God created the stars that were millions of light years away with already made light coming from them to "trick scientists" into thinking they were millions or billions of years old. (I know that's not exactly what you said, but is tantamount to it.) You are also imposing things on your mythology that are neither consistent with what's in the Bible nor are they consistent with what we know about reality. You are facing a true challenge to your beliefs and you are explaining it away with nonsense. | |
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Patriot X
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 25-Jan-2011 17:05:29
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Yes it does. Think about it... stars would not have taken millions of years to get to their current position... if they were created millions of light years away. So yes... the big bang theory is a prerequisite to use this logic as conclusive. Since I believe that those stars... were created at a great distance... it would be natural that they are still at that position. You are correct. The bible does not touch on the distance of the stars at all... except for saying that they are very far away. I do know for certain that the bible does not say that there was a big bang that sent stars flying away. Not really. Please explain how saying: conflicts with the bible? You are right about one thing however... I really do not have a definite conclusion about this. The bible does not specify to how exactly God created the Universe... | |
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YoSoyJu
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 26-Jan-2011 19:10:40
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After reading your post, I don't think you understood my argument at all now, I'm afraid.
My point is not that the stars are really far away. It's that they are really far away and we can see them . The fact that we can see light coming from an object millions of light years away means that that light has been traveling towards Earth for millions of years. It's simple. When I said you were adding onto your mythology, I thought you understood my point and was rationalizing it away (which you may yet do). | |
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Patriot X
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 31-Jan-2011 20:21:41
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Oh, I see what you meant. Yes, you are correct, I cannot really explain that...
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the dawn of the gamers
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
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Posted at: 15-Feb-2011 21:49:12
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Now, I'm not big on math, so I'm not going to add anything on to what's been said about the distance of the stars. Nor do I know much about Astronomy, so I will not touch on that. If astronomy has been discussed in this thread before, then I apologize for my ignorance, I only read this page. The Bible does, however, state that God spoke, and there was light, he spoke and the heavens (which I took to be outer space) came into existence. Perhaps this is what happened, perhaps not. Yo Soy Ju, (I apologize, I'm going of topic) I was never able to figure out how to navigate that site you posted in your argument for evolution. I'm still banned from youtube, as soon as I'm allowed, however, I'll watch those videos. « Last edited by the dawn of the gamers on 15th Feb 2011 » | |
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YoSoyJu
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 17-Feb-2011 16:23:20
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Even if you think that God spoke and there was light, light travels at exactly 186,000 miles/second: no faster, no slower. Therefore, we know that any star that is producing light that is more than 10,000 light years away had to exist more than 10,000 years ago, before the supposed beginning of time. That was my point. Here is a link to the "Browse the Archive" page that has several links that would be of interest to you, most notably the ones about evidence for evolution and list of creationist claims. Hope that helps! « Last edited by YoSoyJu on 18th Feb 2011 » | |
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the dawn of the gamers
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
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Posted at: 02-Mar-2011 22:01:37
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It took awhile, but I've nearly finished reading through that site, Yo Soy Ju. It's incredible that none of this is taught in my school, you'd think it would be.
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YoSoyJu
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 03-Mar-2011 16:05:18
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Wow. I'm impressed. You would think that it would be taught (at least a little more than a cursory glance), but most curricula avoid it as to not cause a "controversy." The only controversy is in the political realm. The science is solid. There is no scientific controversy.
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the dawn of the gamers
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
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Posted at: 03-Mar-2011 19:14:44
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I go to a private Christian school, to them there is a huge scientific argument. I have recently challenged a few things taught to me in the school, but all except one of the teachers and students seem unwilling to accept the facts you have shown me.
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YoSoyJu
Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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Posted at: 05-Mar-2011 10:32:22
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Well, they obviously have a bias and an agenda. The fact is that the only argument around evolution by scientists are how it works in different situations. And they learn more every day.
But I'm very glad you are open to learning. But remember to always be skeptical don't just take my word or anyone else's, even if they seem to be an authority. Investigate things for yourself. | |
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