RP Issues/Problems

Gla, before I say anything, just keep in mind that I'm not out to hurt your feelings. I'm just brutally honest at times.

First of all, cut the crap. No one wants to deal with your little fits. Second, you may not care what I think, but you're going to pay attention anyway if you want anything out of this thread.

The two points about why you want to have recaps? Tell me this: do they actually do you any good if given to you? Because from my perspective, you're basically just ignoring the recaps anyway. Doesn't matter if they're given to you or not, you're just going to go on doing the exact same thing; Doing useless things with maybe one or two characters until you have to go.

Not to sound harsh here, but you can't RP to save your life. I kid you not on this: I cringe every time I have to deal with you in the RP. I can near guarantee you that the others would say the same thing if they didn't care so much about what you thought of them. You never do anything useful with your characters, and when you do manage to get into a story, you put a stop to the flow of it faster than a blood clot in a fat man's artery.

You're a follower. You've always been a follower. You'll never stop being a follower. You want to be told what to to all the time, even in your own Rps. You're never impulsive enough to think up something on your own and put it to good use in an Rp. You expect everyone else to make up things in the Rp so you can go along with it. I know I've used this saying on a lot of people before but: If you had to Rp with a group of nothing but yourself, nothing would ever get done. It would be an endless cycle of bad posts that are near impossible to respond to and pointless plots that get about as much done as a nice playthrough of Minecraft.

My point to all this?: Don't ask for recaps if you don't intend on doing something with them. We never did like your ETA stuff, but it was a damn slight better than what you're doing now. At least you brought something to the table aside from "Daddy, LOVE ME" and "I need a bath".

Before you even say it: I know. I know it's hard to type out stuff on a phone or DSi. I've had to do it. Tough titties. If you want to get anywhere, you best start following the golden rule everyone else does: "My post must be easy to respond to." Just make it so clear what a response could be that even you could guess what the others are going to post.

I also know how you feel. Being ignored sucks. I feel like I could break someone in half over it seeing as they're wasting my time. But I don't complain on site - I save all my rage and take it out on Lizzy over IM, because she'll actually listen and make it seem like I'm getting somewhere due to her getting emotionally involved. After I vent my anger, I suck it up and go back to the Rp. And I make damn sure that my Rp posts are the best there so I can actually get something going. The more useful you are to stories, the less likely you are to be ignored.

"I rest my case."

Well, after reading that, I can say I agree. I understand your points, and they're valid. I wish I could be a better rper and want to come up with better ideas. I also want to play a more active role in rps, but there's one major thing that makes it more difficult for me to keep up with that. My activity. It's not an excuse, but my ever so periodic drop ins and out and sometimes longer periods of absense make thins more difficult. Also, to be perfectly honest with you, one of the main reasons my rp quality sucks is because 90% of the time I'm doing something else like playing a game or something. From here on out, I'll do my best to increase my rp post quality and try standing out more. I just need the recaps because reading back takes a long time, especially with the slower than sh-t DSi.

I'm not offended by what you told me, and I had that coming. All I ask is that you give me some patience with this, as I'll do my best to actually try.

I thank you for your understanding, and apologize for making a fit out of it.

EDIT: I'm awesome.

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...Now the fact that I was able to do that is saddening. Carry on everyone.

Eli, I want you to come here and pay very close attention to what I'm about to say. And before I begin any of it, let me get rid of any suspicions that you may have over this subject: I couldn't really care less about Lilly and Blaze. Though Derek may not want them together, I could give a rat's fat little rear end about the whole situation.

Now, I am going to be quite blunt with this: You're being self centered for the most part and it's quite honestly pissing me off. You're the whole reason I've had problems with Lizzy on IM recently, and let me take a moment to say that I shouldn't have taken anything out on her. That was my own fault. I should have made this post to begin with.

-Needs more widespread interaction between other characters-
Easily explained in the title of this flaw, this basically means that the RP?er should have their characters interact with other characters so that they will not get into the rut of spending time with the same characters every single day. This can be fixed if the RP?er has their characters go interact with others so that more stories may become available, and so that RP?ing isn?t the same every single day.

From the first post of this thread, and let me say that you've more than made your way into applying to this simple rule. I've noticed that for the past week or so, you've interacted with no one but Lizzy. You're not some brand new Rper who needs to have his @ss spanked and his hand held. Move on and interact with someone else for once. By interacting with one person, you're essentially putting a noose around this Rp's neck and squeezing till it just can't breathe anymore.

It's not that hard to simply go out and at least make an effort to do something with another character. In this fact, if you keep it up, you will be the death of this Rp, and I will not at all be happy about that fact. Spread out, or get out, Eli.

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Now, for a second part that Kimmy and I have briefly discussed. About this whole Buneary child thing. Honestly, I don't care if something like that happens, but the turmoil it will cause in the Rp will be more than enough to kill it. Why don't you step back for two seconds, stop being narrow minded over the whole situation, and look at the big picture?

If any of that happens, we'll be going right back to the drama filled Rp times as we had oh so long ago. To be quite honest, I could live without that load of BS. As soon as that happens, the Rp will become solely focused around 4 characters - Derek, Lilly, Blaze, and Buneary. If that doesn't spell disaster, then I must be worse at English than I previously thought.

The entire thing will be one massive chain reaction, bringing one bad step into the Rp after another. Derek will disown Lilly and a whole hell storm will start in the family. Along with this, there's a chance Lilly's going to die from it due to her condition, and that gem on Blaze's head is sure as hell going to get rid of him (Something which Lizzy may throw a fit about). Those previous two points are as stands, and are subject to change via you and Lizzy. But even if Lilly and Blaze do make it through, and this would be Kimmy's chief concern on the matter, all of the other kids will be ditched. It's happened before. Adopted kids are a lower priority than actual kids. All of the other little ones, such as Nova, will be ignored and forgotten for the most part - The same happened with Lilly when Alex and Demi were born.

If that happens, Kimmy has already said she would have little to no use for this Rp anymore, seeing as her beloved Nova would be trash. And with all the anger revolving around the family situation and Derek, I'll probably end up leaving myself. I'm not saying this to be childish or self centered, only that I have better things to do than deal with a role play that is little fun.

After your plan goes, through, this Rp will truly be yours and Lizzy's, as no one else has any want to play in it anymore.

In short, straighten up, kid. Stop being self centered and take a look at the big picture. Interact with more characters, don't make stupid plans that could end up ruining everything for everyone simply because you have blue balls, or else you will end up killing PMDS and possibly T&C as a whole. I don't think anyone would be at all happy with you for that.

It wasn't even actually a plan but just sort of idea. But I'll scrap it anyways Derek. Sorry about the bother.

=/ Well geeze it was just an idea. It was meant to make things more intresting but I guess thats suddenlly a bad thing. Oh the the Buneary kid thing was my idea so back off of Fluffy some.

Well ideas are more than welcome. I only ask you to sit down and discuss them with everyone in chat before they evolve into a plan. If that idea had evolved into a plan without Kimmy or I knowing, the whole place would have been ruined and there would be no fixing it.

Ninetailed Fox said:

=/ Well geeze it was just an idea. It was meant to make things more intresting but I guess thats suddenlly a bad thing. Oh the the Buneary kid thing was my idea so back off of Fluffy some.

Oh yes, it would have made things more than interesting. It would have made things so interesting that two people wouldn't want to put up with all the interestingness anymore and leave. I'm not bashing on Fluffy as much as I am bad choices. Think before you act, is all I ask from this.

We came up with the idea a day ago. and hadn't even thought about it thoroughly. It wouldn't have probably put into play for another year if that. By then we would have most likely scrapped the idea after we had more time to think about it. Before we actually acted.

I don't understand why you guys can't look at it as we are trying to help you and yet you are making it out like we are trying to hurt you.

Honestly its like Fluffy said it was a new idea that would have never made it to the rp. If it had been kept between me and Fluffy though then this wouldn't be happening. I would guess that means Fluffy must have metioned the idea to Kimmy who told you. So its not like we were keeping the idea under wraps.

I am honestly fed up though of everyone over reacting at every little thing. Kimmy if you were the one who heard about it first you had no reason to go running to Derek and stiring up trouble and more drama. You could of just talked to us and we would of dropped the idea anyway. In fact we were almost on the verge of dropping the idea anyway.

It is an rp its meant to be fun new and random stuff is suppose to be encouraged not tossed away because it'll upset the balance of the universe as you guys make it sound.

But to make everyone happy Fluffy and I will go ahead and trash an idea that may not of even made it to the rp anyway. I'll also be sure to never even bother trying to mix things up in the rp. That means I'm trashing the egg idea I had for Silver. I'm sure you don't need Silver having a new friend or anything. Oh wait would of been a bad idea anyway since its still a new idea and I haven`t mentioned it to anyone else.

Honestly this whole thing is silly. Everyone wants the rp to go the way they want it. Sadly that isn't always going to happen. Something may happen in the rp you don't like. Deal with it and try to find a way to make it work for you instead of complaining. You'd be suprised at what can happen when you try to build off of each others stories. Used to thats how this rp worked. Now everyone is in a tug of war trying to make it the way they want. Instead of doing that we should really try working togeather.

Now can we please stop with the soap opra stuff and just try to have fun?

Elizabeth, be it an idea that has potential or not, you should discuss it with others seeing as this Rp doesn't revolve solely around you and Eli. I'm honestly saddened by the fact that the two of you didn't want to freely discuss something like that; An idea that could potentially screw over everything in the Rp.

The Rp has changed from how it used to be. Back in the times you're talking about, we could stand to lose one person, or maybe even two. Well it's not the same anymore. The Rp only has 4 people left in it, so you damn sure better be positive that anything you do is in the best interest for everyone there.

Whether you two want to admit it or not, Kimmy was in the right for standing up to you two and voicing her opinion on something that could affect everyone. So why don't you two sit down and back off of her for a few seconds? The only people stirring up trouble were you and Eli.

So I tell you what - Why don't we take your words and force you to live by them? "Instead of doing that we should really try working together." Learn to work together, you two. Learn to share with the group when it comes to ideas and something good will always come out of it.

Really, I'm not trying to bash any ideas into the ground. Neither is Kimmy, so I would appreciate it Lizzy if you would drop the attitude regarding Silver's possible new friend. I want the best possible outcome of this all, and so does Kimmy. The only reason I was at all harsh in this thread is to not sugarcoat things and show you how bad of an outcome could possibly come from this.

No if kimmy had any problem she should of talked to me and Fluffy. I rarely even bring up ideas to anyone else unless I'm sure they could happen in the rp. If I had thought for one second this idea could or would be a sure thing I would have metioned it to you or kimmy to see whatyou think. Again if Fluffy and I had kept the idea to ourselves we would not be having this convo right now. Fluffy and I recently came up with an idea and I did share it with you when it was a sure thing. We do work togeather with everyone if we can. Sadly it seems most of the time with our ideas its a losing battle. Again why should I bother with the egg? It might upset the whole balance of the rp. Honestly drop the subject cause I am in one of my not backing down moods. Don't reply to this post so this hole dumb thing can end and be forgotten.

Honestly, I could care less what type of mood you're in at the moment. And no, Lizzy - Say it as much as you want, you wouldn't have mentioned it to me until it was over. Kimmy talked to me because she understands one thing you don't seem to get - There are others here. My opinion on things is just as important as her's. I'm not simply some ghost in the Rp.

Take a look at things Lizzy. Kimmy IS talking with you and Fluffy because she believes there's a problem with it. I'm doing the exact same thing. And what are you two doing in return? You two are treating it as if what we say doesn't matter, and I've got a very good feeling that Eli is torturing Kimmy via test or IM.

The only reason you two aren't dominating anything with one sided opinions is because I'm here, and I actually have a backbone when it comes to you two and the Rp.

Ugh can`t you ever stop with I'm right your wrong attude? Honestly I feel like theres a leash on my characters. I even think of doing one thing with them without your say so and this happens. Yet you do things to them that I don't like but go along with so there isn't any drama. No kimmy isn't talking you are. She never just came to me and even tryed talking to me about her worries. I would have listened trust me I would have. I'm not going to do anything on purpose to make her want to leave the rp. Again the idea was just an idea and most of it was just joking. At one point Fluffy and I was talking about a Deerling as Lilly and Blaze's kid IF they ever had one. It wasn't a serious idea so it wasn't likely to happen. Besides you don't always tell everyone YOUR ideas before they become a plan. Now just drop it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

Franjly, i think you guys need to relax. not just lizzy and derek, but everyone. you guys DO realize this rp is supposed to be fun, right? i've said it before, and i know from experiance: this damn thing doesn't constitue your lives. i left the rp for a year and guess what? i didn't shrivel up and die because i wasn't around, and frankly, i think i'm probably a more mature person because i left and saw MY mistakes insteaed of denying them.

but enough about me. Derek and Lizzy, you two are supposed to be great friends, but every time i log on, isee the posts here full of anger, and it makes me really sad. if Lizy went out and had someone kill my rp characters, i wouldn't hate her. i would just make new ones or something. no big deal. i might wonder why, but i wouldn't freak. same thing. if someone has an idea that isn't amazing, why not, isntead of explaining everything thats wrong with it, explain your opinion and ways you could improve it instead? just because two characters want a kid doesn't mean they can't have one. shadow and derek have had tons, and it seems to work ok. as long as people didn't ditch everything JUST for the one kid, then everything would be fine. sure, you could focus a little more on it, but you dont have to drop everything else.

but basically, my point here is that if this rp is THAT important to you guys, quit complaining and find a way to fix it instead of fighting and spreading hate.

anyways, yeah, thats what i have to say.

No. And I'm not expressing that mentality at the moment Lizzy. There probably is a leash on your characters, just like there's one on everyone else's. You want to know why? Because there are so few people left that nothing can go wrong.

Do you honestly believe that it's just me talking through these posts? I'll clue you in - It's not. 50 percent of what I say comes straight from Kimmy's mouth. I'm simply putting it into posts for the both of us to save time.

If you would have listened, then do it now. Both her and I are talking through these posts, so stop pushing it off as if we're simply taking the "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality.

If you wish for me to share with you, then I will. It's just that I rarely plan and go with the flow.

Well Z you might want to rethink that....did it ever occur to you what the hell you and Eli are doing to me when you decide to gang up like this just to tell me I was in the wrong or I shouldn't have done this I shouldn't have done that, just to avoid this. I'm going to be in all honest and this is something that rarely and I mean rarely happens, i was on the verge of tears....because of what you are saying and what Eli is saying over texting, how this is my fault, I need to apologize for what I did, even though it my eyes it was the right thing to do.

And Yet you and Eli can gang up on me and start telling me this that and everything else, ever since the IM with Eli this morning I have been on the verge of tears. And at this point i really don't think you or Eli really care.

I tried to do the right thing and this is what happens, I'm sure I'm not the first one to say this but everyone on here, this is why I don't come up with ideas and stuff like that, everyone on here needs to be on the same page as everyone else because of stuff like this, even the smallest idea could cause turmoil yet when it comes to discussing it people take other people's opinions too seriously or personally and then start to take a defense and attack the person right back, to defend their idea or thoughts no matter if its good or bad, right or wrong. That is what causes the drama.

Everyone wants to do things there way and when someone comes in and tells them either otherwise or tries to help them better themsevles they taken it completely the wrong way and start to shoot back with defense statements and stuff like that instead of looking at it like it was trying to help them.

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It just hurts to get bashed on by something so small. I was upset because I asked you not to tell Derek so we can avoid this drama. But you told him anyways.


In a way I feel bad for taking it out on you. When you were just trying to do the right thing.
I'm sorry for the way I acted, it was immature an unnesissary.

Look Kimmy I honestly have no idea why you think it would have such a big effect on Nova. But I am sorry for taking things out on you with my posts. I just feel hurt because you never even waited to tell me how you felt about the idea on IM.