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Kari, shush. I'm trying to get Z to argue again :|

I can't say I ever liked it... =/

MY favourite still remains to be R/S/E.

Z, because I want to see how you would fair against me. They SUCKED :D

No they didn't they were the best pokemon games.
They were the first pokemon games to have the day to night feature, and the events that only happen on seten days of the week.
Crystal the first game that you could be a girl in.

Glaceon said:

I can't say I ever liked it... =/

MY favourite still remains to be R/S/E.

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Good points, Z.

hey ppl...I'm on.

I warn you now. I think that they were great games, I'm only taking a false stance on the situation in order to come up with a civil debate.

I fail to see how the night and day feature helped at all. It was nothing but a mess that made it harder for people such as myself to complete the game. I'm someone who enjoys going through it as fast as I can without using many Pokemon. Seeing as you had to have certain types during certain parts of the game, the night and day feature only made it harder to catch those Pokemon and complete the game.

The events that you speak of were somewhat lacking and could have been vastly improved. Granted, I only messed with them once or twice, I still fail to see how they were worth mentioning. They were completely dull and just a waste of time.

Oh, you like the fact that you're playing a girl in the game huh? I'll let you in on a little fact. These games were made by Nintendo, meaning that they have little concern as to what the females should wear. Hell, half of them in these games look like they should be hookers. Who on earth wants to play as a half naked character. I do admit, it would be nice to play as a female character if they actually wore something other than a skirt or latex pants.

...I'm getting this from the Hoen and Sinnoh Games. I honestly can't remember much about the female in G/S/C

The point was to make the game harder and the night day feature gave a bit of a challenge when it came to completing your pokedex. It also gave you a nice change in the way they game worked.

The girl in crystal was covered more then in the newer games another reason why the game was the best. Also it was a big step for girl pokemon fans to be able to finally play as a girl instead of being stuck playing as a boy.

If they honestly wanted to add that feature just to make things more fun for the player, they should have added a feature where you could choose to play it the way the games before it were played ((Always day)), or the 'New' way of playing the games ((Scenery changes based on the hour of day)). Them failing to put an option in the game was a major flaw on their part that should have been corrected before they ever released the game.

I can see your points in your second paragraph, and I have to agree with them. The addition of the female character was a good choice for Nintendo but they only went downhill from there. Do you really believe that the addition of this female character was such a good idea now seeing that its degraded the image of all females in the game's future?

If they had of done that anyone who would of picked for it to be day all the time would not of been able to obtain certain pokemon such as an Umbreon. Thus that would have been a flaw in the game. They tryed leaving the night feature out of the r/s/e games but that really just made them horrible to play. Making the day to night feature one of the best ideas they have had.

I still think it was a good idea though I don't approve of how things are going with the way they are designing them. I think their trying to make the girl in the game way to much like the anime characters their based on, that is their main problem. Hopeful they will realize their mistakes soon and really put effort into the girl characters in the future.

All your personal opinion Z, just as what I say is defined as my personal opinion. You're not thinking this through, Z. You say that people who picked the all day option would have missed certain Pokemon when (IF Nintendo did things properly) they would have had a chance to obtain all. If the option were to have been added to the game allowing a person to choose the day and night features to be cut on or off, they would have obviously added to the all day feature. If the all day feature were to be cut on, then all Pokemon would be available at any hour instead of just being able to get one at night. I personally liked the way they designed the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald versions. The all day thing helped dramatically when it came to going through the game in just a day or two. I didn't have to wait for actual night to come just to get some Pokemon to teach it an HM or something. To your final sentence of the first paragraph, it would have been a major improvement only if they had added what I have previously suggested. It would give the player a wider field of play.

Z, the games were made in Japan. Just ask Ryu, they have little morals there. Children are allowed to watch violent TV shows that contain half naked people in them. The Anime should have been based on the game, not the other way around. This is the leading cause of the downfall of the quality of the female characters in the game. Unless, by some miracle, you can find a way to change the entire views of a nation, the female characters are going to continue their fall in quality and come closer to a complete and total fail. They will NEVER realize their mistakes :3

I must admit, this is very fun. You're showing a degree of intelligence that I never expected from you.

The change in night and day shouldn't affect how long it takes you to beat the game. It gives the game a real feel to it and makes things interesting. Its dull to have everything look the same all the time and have no real challenge. It really isn't much trouble at all to wait for night to train or catch a pokemon. All it really does is make it a little harder for you to complete your pokedex though if you don't have the time or patience to wait for night you can always just change the time on your clock.

I've seen the anime and thats why I said its a mistake that their basing the girl characters in the game off of the girl characters in the show. There is always a chance that they might at least come up with a better girl design but there is a chance they won't. As for morals if I'm not mistaken Americans also our their children watch shows and movies like that. So we really have no place to criticize them if they do.

Forgoten_Scars said:

All your personal opinion Z, just as what I say is defined as my personal opinion. You're not thinking this through, Z. You say that people who picked the all day option would have missed certain Pokemon when (IF Nintendo did things properly) they would have had a chance to obtain all. If the option were to have been added to the game allowing a person to choose the day and night features to be cut on or off, they would have obviously added to the all day feature. If the all day feature were to be cut on, then all Pokemon would be available at any hour instead of just being able to get one at night. I personally liked the way they designed the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald versions. The all day thing helped dramatically when it came to going through the game in just a day or two. I didn't have to wait for actual night to come just to get some Pokemon to teach it an HM or something. To your final sentence of the first paragraph, it would have been a major improvement only if they had added what I have previously suggested. It would give the player a wider field of play.

It opened up a huge field in games that no one really thought of though. It gave the concept of night and day evolution, which gave huge diversity to pokemon. It shows that while some are very nice and friendly, others were night dwellers an have more of a dark personality to them. Then it gave the concept that THE GAME ISN'T A ONE DAY TRIP. It actually showed that this takes nights and days to actually complete, not just a full run straight through the region in a day. Then it gave the concept that some pokemon are nocturnal and others are not. Some were found in the day, while others where found in the daytime. This was better because it changed the rarity of pokemon severely. Instead of "There's a 50% chance of finding it! You can go find it." it was actually, "Now there's only a 25% chance and only in the night." It actually made a lot more people realize how hard it was to find some pokemon.


Z, the games were made in Japan. Just ask Ryu, they have little morals there. Children are allowed to watch violent TV shows that contain half naked people in them. The Anime should have been based on the game, not the other way around. This is the leading cause of the downfall of the quality of the female characters in the game. Unless, by some miracle, you can find a way to change the entire views of a nation, the female characters are going to continue their fall in quality and come closer to a complete and total fail. They will NEVER realize their mistakes :3

They were always hookers. If you've seen Japanese anime, you can see that.

I must admit, this is very fun. You're showing a degree of intelligence that I never expected from you.

Bold. |3

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It shouldn't but it does. That's the major flaw in this entire thing. Say you're stuck at some point in the game and its night. You need to catch a Pokemon that can learn several HMs all at the same time. If the Pokemon you have in mind is only available during the day, you're screwed. People such as me don't have time to waste just waiting for the time to change. We enjoy just going through the game and being able to beat it. It truly is a hassle to wait all those hours just to get what you need done to beat the game. Sometimes this feature does make things interesting but, as I've said over and over again, them not adding a control to cut this feature on and off ruins the entire game for some. If someone wants to take their time, complete the Pokedex, and wait all those hours, more power to them. For the people that don't and just want to play the thing, this feature pretty much ruins the entire game for them. Its a phail, pure and simple.

Do you realize how low the chances of them coming up with a decent female character are? I doubt any of us will ever see one so don't hold your breath. As for us criticizing them, I do believe that the majority of those shows that we in America watch come from that part of the world. The crap starts in Japan and leads into America, therefore we have every right to criticize.

what are we arguing about?

I hope you realize you can just catch a bunch of different pokemon. >____>

Oh, nothing Nick. I'm just saying random crap that I don't even believe is true to get Z to debate. Its Pokemon :3

Kari, phail. If you just catch one good Pokemon and teach them a bunch of moves, it frees up space in the Pokemon you're holding and saves you time when you don't constantly have to go to a computer.

Then you do that. The game is meant to be somewhat of a challenge.

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ya, i agree with that. i hate it when i have to keep going BACK AND FORTH to the poke center, to get my special hm poke's. its irritating as hell
and then, if i wanna get RID of an hm, i have to go ALL THE WAY to the hm deleter. do you know how annoyin that is?